The commentaries debated numerous points in the target article. Many questioned the existence of a crisis and the benefits of a paradigm shift, even though none countered the listed signs of a crisis. Paradigm shifts are an important way that science progresses. There remains hope for a unifying theory, and for a reawakening of an ambitious science of visual attention.

Living in groups is more stressful and less straightforward than we usually assume. In order to live in large groups, mammals need to find solutions that allow these stresses to be defused. I show that, in primates, this has involved successively adding increasingly costly structural, behavioural, and cognitive solutions that are dependent on the evolution of large brains. Primate social evolution consists of a series of glass ceilings on group size that restrict the habitats that species could occupy.

Drawing on our previous work on human trust networks, we provide further evidence of how group structure can foster group cohesion. But this work also raises doubts about two central tenets of the target paper: (1) the role assigned to cognitive abilities in group cohesion and stabilization; and (2) the emphasis on group size as the critical variable.

To explain human social sophistication, and proximal phylogenetic steps leading to it, Dunbar claims that mentalising expands to increasingly high levels of recursion. However, the evidential basis for this claim is weak, exposing both a limitation in Dunbar’s account and in the field’s current understanding of social sophistication.

Grooming is one strong mechanism allowing primate groups to grow larger and more cohesive, but a reduction in reactive aggression responses can be expected to have contributed to this trend too. There is indeed a partial overlap between the neurobiology of grooming and the neurobiology of reactive aggression.

Ectotherms, particularly fish, challenge traditional brain evolution theories by exhibiting advanced cognitive abilities despite their smaller brains. While the social brain hypothesis may apply within clades, sensory-motor systems likely explain the brain size differences between average-brained ectotherms and endotherms. Evolved complex sensory-motor systems suggest that brain evolution models should expand to include sensory and motor systems, beyond cognitive processes alone.

Challenges of group-living include foundational problems of cooperation and coordination that extend beyond anthropoid primates and may potentially be managed through evolved group-mindedness rather than expanded neocortical size and enhanced capacities for executive functions.

Dunbar’s framework highlights the challenge of maintaining large, stable social networks given cognitive constraints. Expanding on this, I propose that fractal social networks function as lossy compression algorithms, efficiently reducing the complexity of social storage and retrieval. Rather than tracking all relationships explicitly, individuals rely on hierarchical abstractions and transitive inference, shifting storage complexity from $O\left( {{N^2}} \right)$ to $O\left( {N\log N} \right)$. This insight suggests broader implications for cognitive evolution, institutional organization, and artificial intelligence.

Primate species deploy a suite of behavioural and cognitive adaptations to offset the costs of group-living. Dunbar uses species-level comparisons to posit a series of cumulative steps that describe large-scale phylogenetic patterns in the evolution of sociality. Here, we highlight the value of population-level variation within species for empirically testing the predicted socio-ecological correlations that underpin Dunbar’s hypothesis.

Human social networks are far larger than those of nonhuman primates. Maintaining cohesion in large networks requires a robust mechanism that can accommodate the dense webs of connections within communities. A parsimonious account of how humans achieve social cohesion is mental abstraction, which enables individuals to construct fuzzy network representations that facilitate information flow tracking and mitigate conflict.

The paper of Dunbar (2025) on social stress is a strong demonstration that stress in itself can have a purely cognitive origin. The paper shows that the cognitive system can have profound impacts on the hypothalamus. As detailed in my commentary, this opens up new avenues of how to interpret psychiatric conditions, placebo, and other associations between perceptions and vegetative functions in the brain.

Dunbar’s emphasis on dyadic relationships in group formation overlooks the roles of interdependence and joint commitment in social cohesion. We challenge his premise by highlighting the importance of group-level processes, particularly where top-down group pressures like cooperative breeding and out-group threat can induce joint commitment as an alternate means to sustain group cohesion.

In this commentary, I suggest a complementary view to the target paper’s idea that primate social metacognition evolved as an adaptation to living in large groups. I present metacognition as a necessary step in the development of complex allostatic systems and suggest that intrinsic and social metacognition are dissociable, which can be studied in the mammalian default mode network.

Dunbar presents an intriguing analysis of variance in primate group sizes, and social glue’s (grooming) relationship to cognitive evolution. This focus on primates with consistent and stable grouping excludes perspectives on the evolution of grouping beyond predation and competition. The analysis raises important questions about variation, dynamic sizes, and the conservation implications of variance for primate population extinction vulnerabilities.

Meta-cognition enhances the social bonding hypothesis for musicality, integrating imagination, episodic simulation, causal inference, and inhibition. Music fosters group cohesion by engaging the endogenous opioid system, supporting intergroup understanding through vivid mental imagery, and facilitating socio-affective fiction. Additionally, causal inference enables contextual interpretation of music, while inhibition refines musical coordination and executive function, reinforcing cognitive flexibility for cooperative social behavior.

Dunbar exclusively sees groups as arising through the aggregate relationships between individuals and thereby makes the serious omission of not considering the capacity of those individuals to categorize one another as ingroup versus outgroup members.

Dunbar suggests structural, behavioral, and cognitive mechanisms to mitigate the costs of living in large groups. While we generally concur with the notion of group size effects on female productivity, we call for a more explicit treatment of how functional support alleviates social costs and disagree with the outright dismissal of ecological drivers and phylogenetic inertia.

While grooming and other forms of physical bonding are crucial for stress management, social play and laughter deserve equal recognition as tools for both stress relief and the reinforcement of social relationships. They play a pivotal role in the development of motor and social skills and serves as a foundational behavior in species that rely on cooperation and alliance-building.

Dunbar suggests that social stressors set “glass ceilings” on the evolution of mammalian group size and cohesion. We argue that this glass ceiling narrative conceals three contentious anthropocentric assumptions. First, large stable groups would always be beneficial. Second, grooming is an indicator for maintaining group cohesion. Third, group size is primarily limited by cognitive or behavioral incapacity. We challenge all three assumptions.

We propose that the emergence of relationship-based social expectations and their evolution into fairness expectations played a key role in the size and cohesion of hominin societies. One of the central challenges of group living is the need to create and sustain stable and mutually beneficial patterns of cooperation. By regulating collaborative interactions, social expectations make group living less stressful.